Tuesday, July 5, 2016

The Winds of Winter- What's Next At The Wall?

The Winds of Winter (A Song of Ice and Fire, #6)

As most fans of the books or show know, Jon Snow doesn't make it out alive at the end of A Dance With Dragons, the fifth book in the series. He is killed (or at least it appears that he is) by his own brothers in the Night's Watch after they consider him a traitor. Not all of his men feel this way, of course- but throughout the book Jon sends his closest supporters to other places and makes decisions that antagonize many of the Watch. Melisandre the red priestess even warns him several times to watch his back, that he has enemies, but he doesn't heed her. So at the end of the book it happens- and while we know on the show how it turns out, we don't know what's going to happen next in the books.

Spoilers for the books.

A lot is going on when Jon is stabbed repeatedly at the end of A Dance with Dragons. He has just received the so- called Pink Letter from Ramsay Bolton and has declared his intention to break his vow and ride south to confront Ramsay. The wildlings have enthusiastically supported him and this seems to be the last straw for many in the Watch. Jon has let the wildlings pass through the Wall in exchange for committing to fight with the Watch when the Others come. It's a simple matter of needing more men, and taking the wildlings because they have no other source of manpower- and also to save the wildlings- but Bowen Marsh and the other malcontents don't see that. They think the wildlings are the enemy, and Jon doesn't do a good job of communicating his rationale.

The interesting thing here is Castle Black is full of wildlings at the moment and also of southern men, the knights and soldiers loyal to Queen Selyse. She was left at Castle Black when Stannis went south, and indeed the Pink Letter asserts that Stannis has been defeated and that Ramsay wants the queen turned over to him, along with Shireen and Melisandre. Not only that but just before Jon is attacked all chaos breaks loose when one of Selyse's knights tries to get to Val, the wildling princess being guarded by the giant Wun Wun, and is basically torn apart by the giant. So everyone is drawing weapons and the place is a tinderbox.

Amidst all this Jon is stabbed repeatedly and presumably killed. What will happen next? Well there could be total chaos, a three way scrum between the Night's watch, the wildlings and the queen's men. The situation is more complex and volatile than depicted in the show. The wildlings have just agreed to follow Jon and he and Tormund are sort of BFF's at the moment, so they may not take kindly to Jon being stabbed out. The queen's men (and the queen) don't seem to like Jon -but Melisandre is the true power behind Selyse. If she commands the men to protect Jon or orders Selyse to do so, I don't see Selyse defying that.

And you have Wun Wun who just went apeshit and ripped a guy apart. There's a real chance that the giant goes on a rampage. But the real wild card for me here is... Melisandre, without a doubt. Selyse defers to her, probably fears her, and I think Melisandre will not be pleased to see Jon killed. There could be a bloodbath at Castle Black.

And we're not even touching on how Jon will come back (the assumption being that he will). This has all been settled on the show but the books will almost certainly take a different path. It seems that by killing him the Night's Watch has probably released him from his vows, enabling him to go south. But Jon is the only one thinking ahead to the true threat- the Others. Will he take Winterfell enabling the defenders to have a base to stop the northern apocalypse? Or will he come back to lead the Watch, if it even still exists? And there's a very good chance the Wall is coming down as well, and soon. Winterfell will be the crux of the fight if that happens.


  1. I'm so glad to see that you're keeping the GoT discussions going! I felt a bit lost this Sunday without having a new episode to watch, lol.

    I read ADwD when it was released, and I remember running straight to the Internet after I was done to read fan theories about how Jon might still be alive because I refused to believe he was truly dead! I'm very interested to see how GRRM handles Jon's resurrection, a potential battle for Winterfell, and Melisandre's role in all of this. After bringing Jon back and creeping everyone out by taking off her necklace, she really didn't have a whole lot to do on the show this season. I'm with you- I really think she still has a bigger part to play, at least in the books.

    1. I keep thinking of things I want to talk about, and with the show done for the year I'm moving into mostly book talk. These don't get a ton of comments but I enjoy writing them- and thinking about them. lol and so much happens in this book.

      I don't feel like there's been a lot of discussion about the Wall post- Jon. The way that chapter ends it's all in chaos, and between the giant and Mel I think some people are going to be pissed at what the NW did. So I'm really curious what happens next... :)

      And I totally agree about Melisandre- I think she plays a HUGE role in the coming war and will be an important figure, and I want to know more about her!

  2. Although I haven't read the books, I am a HUGE fan of Game Of Thrones tv series !
    I also hope that one day, I'll actually read the books hehe ^^
    Loved you post though ;)

    New follower on bloglovin ^^

    @ "Book Addict"

  3. Okay, I feel like I've been neglecting your discussions, Greg. Just want to say I'm not avoiding you, but I have only read the first couple of books of this series and have only watched part of the first season of the show and I don't want to spoil things for myself. So I haven't been reading your GoT discussions - but I think it's fantastic that you've been digging so deeply into one of your favorite series!

    Nicole @ Feed Your Fiction Addiction